Q: What was the neighbourhood like where you settled with your father?
A: Well, the community was actually... it was leased, it was some land that was owned by a man named Lewis who leased it out to various families, and he leased out a piece of land. And he built a house on it, that's what my father did. Earlier down the man wanted back the land so my father went on to buy another piece of land of his own at a nearby community, at Saunders Lane. And he took the house down and built up one at Saunders where the house is standing today.
Q: I read somewhere that you were more or less a renegade child in those days, or walking from house to house, how come you...
A: Not really 'renegade', I was a runaway child actually. I left my father, I was at fourteen and went on my own because I didn't like the way my stepmother was treating me.
Q: Right, you didn't click.
Q: So what became of you, where did you live?
A: Well, I basically live in the streets.
Q: OK, the street child.
A: I became a street child, yeah. Obviously I was left to the mercy of good folks at the time. Jamaica was actually a gentle country then. It wasn't like now, you couldn't do that now, you wouldn't survive a day in the streets now as a runaway. If you're not being killed by the police you will be killed by gunmen. So it's actually a different society now, it's a more hostile type of system, now. Them days it was gentle, people care for each other, so I find it easy surviving then. I wasn't really a bad child, I didn't steal or getting mixed up in any gang situation. I was actually just a runaway kid, y'know.
Q: But under such circumstances it's so easy to get trapped in that same 'gang situation' in order to survive, isn't it?
A: Well, like I say we weren't really exposed to the American way of living, because we didn't have the TV to preach the profane and progression. So we were influenced by basically our surroundings, which was actually - basically what was Christian people who go to church on Sundays, and all the good things, y'know. It's since Jamaica become Americanized that the whole fabric of society demoralised, break down and, y'know, violence and crime becomes the norm.
Q: But then you had the 'rude boy' era of the fifties and sixties.
A: I wasn't part of it, I was never a part of it. I always criticise it, because that's when the whole structure of caring and sharing start falling apart. You know, even when Bob Marley start to sing all those songs...
Q: 'Rude Boy'.
A: 'Rudie Go A Jail' and all them t'ings deh, he was actually... Well, not Bob, it was The Wailers then, it was a dominant group that was happenin' at the time, focused on that type of thing.