Q: So what was the encounter with Derrick?
A: Oh yeah, well you see Derrick and me grew up, yunno, him become like my second heir (?) in music, beca' him and me grow up in Orange Lane now in which... I felt that me and Derrick could a make some music together, y'know. Beca' me and Derrick was like down by the fireplace and go play, behind Orange Street, yunno, me and Derrick was behind there knockin' on cars, like open cars, and all dem t'ing deh, trying to get a t'ing together. Yes, there so we started it, we started it like... I think I was the one who mention to Derrick one day seh, like, "Look man, with all this talent that we've got, mek we try and see if we can attend one of these talent shows" - speaking is that Vere John show I'm talkin'. So, I can totally remember that, me and Derrick started out same time and do talent shows. I would say this is the late fifties, yunno, beca' is shortly after I stopped those talent shows, then I start recording. And recording business start in Jamaica in the late fifties, and in the sixties whe you used to have first set of ska tunes used to come out. So it's shortly after that time we left Vere John's and start doing Jamaican ska music.
Q: So Derrick wasn't already recording when you met. How was he in those days?
A: Derrick, I want to tell you now, Derrick in business and Derrick branch out, yunno, after he leave Vere John's Derrick branch out on his own. And it's not totally on his own beca' the first song me recorded is me and him record it, a tune called 'My Nights Are Lonely'.
Q: For whom?
A: That was for Highlight, Little Wonder (the shop and label respectively, Highlight also released acts like Keith & Enid and Lascelles Perkins). Yeh, that man had a shop on Spanish Town Road in Jamaica, so that was where we made our first recording. Now, then Derrick branch out, Derrick do his own songs, like he do it for himself and I do mine, yunno. He was recording for Duke Reid, I was doing songs for Duke Reid too. Then, like I'm saying, when these t'ings started, I make a very important t'ing happen in Jamaica, in Jamaica music, y'know what I mean. Beca' Jamaican music is like it become international now, right, and them calling it all kinda t'ings. Them call it - well, for dances you do t'ings, right, you have reggae, them call it reggae, and then you have ska, and y'know you have dancehall type a t'ing. But what I really say is that Jamaica music - I say I do a t'ing in Jamaica, I play a very important part in Jamaican music. Beca' then Jamaican music never really have no like a man say, well, then y'know in calypso music everybody like calypso ca' they can hear calypso a come from Trinidad whe yu can really say calypso a come from. Jamaica never really have say no direct music whe, y'know wha' I mean, you have a kinda sound whe 'this sound comes from this island'. Well, you have mento, and you have this dance them call soca and then you have a next kinda dance you call jump-up, jump-up, right, but them kinda dance there is different kinda dance. You see, ska music now, ska music is not a music whe come from China or it come from Hong Kong or it come from Britain or nutten, ska music was identically made in Jamaica. And the time when I was doing the music in Jamaica right when them discover, seh: "Young man, da music yah sound different and it sound like we na hear nutten like this, yunno". Till them develop it up, yunno, and you have different, different style of music a come offa the same kind of music - what is ska, yunno. Is that is the time like when I make the first tune whe them call 'Humpty Dumpty (Sat On A Wall)', I dunno if you hear that song yet, but that song change Jamaica. When them start talk about 'this song sound like it an American tune', or 'it sound like a mento', or 'it sound like a calypso'.
Q: Right, that tune had that particular emphasis on the half beat in comparison to earlier Jamaican recordings, which was more like the US type of R&B, while this one had something distinctively its own.
A: Well, yea. Well, talking this and talking that now, when you going face up with American and talk about different style of music, you see, is that Jamaican music - ska music, right, is the riddim of it, yunno. It have the same kinda chords them like whe you would have in the American tunes from change one to a change, is what I mean from one chord to the other. But the direct sound and the beat whe it did have, is that it did have a deep down identical sound of tone. Well, I tell you from those era, from them times deh when music a start when a man say and say, well, this tune a sound like it's a ska tune or a reggae tune or it's a kinda blue-beat or a rockers or whatever, is right deh so it started from - is from the ska music, is right deh so everyt'ing started from.